Meeting of the ARIN Advisory Council - 23 October 2003 [Archived]

Chicago, IL

Attendees:

Council Members

• Alec Peterson, Chairman (AP)
• Dana Argiro (DA)
• Bill Darte (BD)
• Andrew Dul (AD)
• Ron da Silva (RD)
• Dale Finkelson (DF)
• Sanford H. George (SHG)
• Mark Kosters (MK)
• Kevin Martin (KM)
• Lea Roberts (LR)
• John Sweeting (JS)
• Stacy Taylor (ST)
• Cathy J. Wittbrodt (CJW)
• Suzanne Woolf (SW)

Apologies

• Avi Freedman

ARIN Board of Trustees Attendees

• Scott Bradner, Secretary
• Ray Plzak, President and CEO

ARIN Staff Attendees

• Richard Jimmerson, Director of Operations
• Einar Bohlin, Policy Analyst
• Thérèse Colosi, ARIN Recording Secretary

ARIN Counsel

• Steve Ryan
• Ian Ballon

1. Welcome

The Chair called the meeting to order at 6:04 p.m. CDT. The presence of a quorum was noted.

2. Agenda Bashing

The Chair asked if there were any comments on the Agenda. There were none.

3. Formal Approval of the Minutes of September 18, 2003

JS moved that:

“The ARIN AC adopts the minutes of September 18, 2003 as written.”

This was seconded by DF. The motion passed unanimously.

4. Policy Proposal 2002-2: Experimental Internet Resource Allocations

SW stated this policy proposal received consensus support. Non-substantive edits were made based on comments during the Public Policy Meeting. Discussion took place and it was the sense of the AC that additional changes needed to be made to include an explicit statement that allocations must be returned at end of experimentation, quantification be made at end of experimentation, and allocations need to be returned to the available address pool. SW and LR tasked with continuing to shepherd this policy.

5. Policy Proposal 2002-3: Micro-Assignments for Multi-homed Networks

RD moved that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mail list and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommend that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2002-3, as it was presented in the Public Policy Meeting.”

This was seconded by SW.

The Chair called for any comments. RD felt the modifications in the slides presented represented consensus gathered from the PPML, and having the vote done in the open policy meeting reinforced this. The text read as follows:

“Multi-homed organizations may justify and obtain a block of address space with prefix length extending to /22 directly from ARIN. When prefixes are longer than /20, these micro-allocations or micro-assignments will be from a reserved block for that purpose.”

The Chair stated that this policy would be superceding the existing multi-homing policy. RP stated that the AC recommend this to the ARIN Board. The AC agreed. The motion passed unanimously by role call vote. The chair asked the text be posted for ‘last call’.

BD suggested the AC recommend to the Board that the AC conduct on-going reviews. He proposed posting to the PPML under a 10-day review period. RP stated that if the AC policy committee has implementation considerations that should be accomplished, they should send a letter to ARIN staff. The AC agreed.

6. Policy Proposal 2003-3: Residential Customer Privacy

The Chair gave a brief overview of what took place during the Public Policy Meeting on this proposal.

ST moved that:

“_“The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mail list and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommend that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2003-3.”

This was seconded by AD. The Chair called for any comments. It was suggested to replace the word “ISP” with the word “organizations”. CJW also noted a singular to plural change in the document. ST accepted these friendly amendments, and they were seconded by AD.

The Chair called for any further discussion. There were no further comments.

7. Policy Proposal 2003-4: IPv6 Policy Changes

The AC recommended this policy proposal be sent back to the IPv6 discussion group for further clarification based on comments during the Public Policy Meeting. The Chair asked if there were any objections. There were no objections. LR was tasked with shepherding this Policy Proposal.

8. Policy Proposal 2003-5: RWhois Server Uses Requirements

MK moved that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mail list and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommend that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2003-5.”

This was seconded by AD. AD then proposed a change for taking care of privacy conflict as follows: “The service shall follow ARIN’s privacy policy for publishing data in a public forum._” This would replace the final sentence of the paragraph striking “The street address….”.

It was also suggested to replace the word “RWhois” in the proposal name, making it, “Distributed Information Server Use Requirements”. In addition, the grammatical change of “ISP’s” to “ISPs” was made, and the change of “ISP” to “organization” in the paragraph beginning with “The proposed minimum requirement for an organization to set up…” was made.

The AC agreed to all edits. MK accepted this friendly amendment, and it was seconded by AD. The motion carried unanimously.

9. Policy Proposal 2003-9 WHOIS Acceptable Use Policy (AUP)

The Chair gave an overview of comments on this that occurred during the Public Policy Meeting.

CJW moved that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mail list and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommend that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2003-9.”

This was seconded by LR. The Chair called for any comments.

AD stated applying an AUP to WHOIS had substantial support. All agreed that this was the case. The Chair read the current AUP for reference. It was the sense of the AC to refer the AUP statement to Counsel for review. The Chair suggested the AC vote to abandon this policy in lieu of a simpler proposal like the current Bulk WHOIS and leave ARIN counsel to define how it is communicated to the users.

CJW moved that:

“Based on uniform policy, the ARIN Council recommends that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt a uniform AUP Policy for all WHOIS data.”

This was seconded by ST.

The Chair called for comments. RD suggested taking community consensus and contacting the author with the comments to see if he would agree to edit the proposal. If he did not, the AC would modify the proposal consistent with the comments derived from the Public Policy Meeting, and post the edited version to the PPML. The AC discussed suggesting modifications to the author’s proposal, removing legalese, and making the AUP consistent across all forms of data access.

CJW then withdrew the motion and ST seconded it. The Chair and BD agreed to speak with the author and convey the wishes of the AC and the AC committee tasked with shepherding this policy proposal.

10. Policy Proposal 2003-10: Apply the HD Ratio to all future IPv4 Allocations

It was the sense of the AC that changes need to be made since this policy proposal did not reach consensus. JS strongly suggested a working group to look at it closely. The Chair agreed and stated that a discussion group was needed.

ST moved that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mail list and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommend that the ARIN Board of Trustees abandon Policy Proposal 2003-10 as-is, due to lack of consensus.”

This was seconded by RD. Roll call vote was taken, and the motion passed unanimously.

AD, DA, ST, CJW, and KM and JS volunteered to form the discussion group. The Chair stated that AD and KM would be the co-leaders and the group would be called the Utilization Group. ARIN Staff was tasked with creating a mailing list to include the Chair.

11. Policy Proposal 2003-11: Purpose and Scope of WHOIS Directory

No consensus reached on this proposal.

ST moved that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mail list and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommend that the ARIN Board of Trustees abandon Policy Proposal 2003-11.”

JS seconded it.

Chair asked AD on feedback on 2003-16. He stated that people liked the idea, and if it were more concise he would not be opposed to it. He stated that some objected about publishing it at all, and that no study had been done on the issue of staff time. It was the sense of the AC that this policy proposal would have to be brought up within the next six months. AD was tasked with re-working the text. It was noted that there was no support for LDAP in this policy.

A roll call vote was taken, and the motion passed unanimously. The Chair called for volunteers to discuss this document with the author. AD volunteered to contact the author. The Chair tasked the existing AC Abuse discussion group with shepherding this policy proposal.

12. Policy Proposal 2003-12: IANA to RIR Allocation of IPv4 Addresses

CJW moved that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mail list and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommend that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2003-12”

This was seconded by ST.

It was suggested to change “different from” to “greater than” in section 3.2 of paragraph 3. CJW accepted this friendly amendment and it was seconded by ST.

A roll call vote was taken, and the motion passed unanimously.

13. Policy Proposal 2003-13: Six-month Supply of IP Addresses

LR moved that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mail list and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommend that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2003-13.”

This was seconded by DF.

The Chair noted that the straw poll during the Public Policy meeting was unanimous. MK felt it needed to be rewritten. SW felt it needed specific criteria for which the modification will apply. RD expressed that if someone did not require a supply of not more than a year, then a 3-month rule should apply.

The AC agreed that the proposal text should be placed in the “ISP Additional Requests” policy as item number 6.

A roll call vote was taken, and the motion passed unanimously.

14. Policy Proposal 2003-14: Remove /13 Maximum Allocation

CJW moved that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mail list and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommend that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2003-14.”

This was seconded by LR.

BD suggested removing the reference to ARIN’s minimum allocation in this policy. All agreed and tasked the ARIN Staff with this item.

A roll call vote was taken, and the motion passed unanimously.

It was noted that MK left the meeting then at 7:54 p.m. CDT.

15. Policy Proposal 2003-15: IPv4 Allocation Policy for the Africa Portion of the ARIN Region

ST moved that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mail list and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommend that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2003-15.”

This was seconded by RD.

The Chair noted that the AC was concerned about one of the Board Members considering the contents of policy proposals during the Public Policy Meeting.

SB explained that the particular Board Member had been concerned that policy process had been followed, but none of the proposed legal issues were in the contents of the policy proposal.

It was noted that in the future, Board members would state their opinions as individuals, not as members of the Board.

Discussion ensued regarding whether or not the AC felt this policy proposal was a special exception. RD stated that ultimately what was reflected in meeting was a consensus to move forward, and that there were not a significant number of constituents objecting during the Public Policy Meeting or on the PPML.

A roll call vote was taken, and the motion passed with SW and AD abstaining.

16. Policy Proposal 2003-16. POC Verification

ST moved that:

“The ARIN Advisory Council, based on comments from stakeholders expressed either at the ARIN XII Public Policy meeting or on the ARIN public policy mail list and noting that the Internet Resource Policy Evaluation Process has been followed, recommend that the ARIN Board of Trustees adopt Policy Proposal 2003-16.”

This was seconded by CJW.

AD stated that there was not a sufficient consensus to the text written as-is to recommend sending this policy proposal to the ARIN Board for adoption. He questioned whether the information from ARIN on the ramifications to its staff should it be listed publicly or not, and suggested that the text be cleaned up.

Discussion ensued, and it was the sense of the AC that there were too many additional concerns there were not addressed in the proposal as it was currently written. The Chair listed the concerns:

More discussion was needed to figure out what direction to take; analysis was needed from ARIN Staff on what it would take to verify POC data on a scheduled basis; there were hijacking concerns on the veracity of contact data and publishing the veracity of contact data.

RD suggested the AC Abuse discussion group shepherd this task. All Agreed. The Chair suggested ST withdraw the motion.

ST withdrew the motion, and this was seconded by DA.

17. Review of Open Action Item List

OPEN ACTION ITEM LIST:

SEPT03-22 AC

Cable Open Access Policy. At the last AC meeting in September, it was agreed to drop this issue if no interest was shown on the PPML by the time ARIN XIII took place.

10/23 update: DA stated this was back on track and they were figuring out what needs to be addressed, with more questions popping up that need to be addressed. Open.

SEPT03-23 BOARD

Policy Proposal Template. RP provided update that Appendix B to new policy proposal process.

Closed.

SEPT03-24 AC

Nominations needed for ASO AC. Closed.

18. Any Other Business

General discussion took place regarding the new Conflict of Interest policy.

CJW strongly urged the AC to nominate qualified people for the ASO AC.

19. Adjournment

The Chair entertained a motion to adjourn at 8:46 p.m. CDT. JS moved to adjourn and this was seconded by KM. The motion carried unanimously.