ARIN 38 Public Policy Meeting, Day 1 Notes - Thursday, 20 October 2016 [Archived]

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Public Policy Meeting, Day 1 - Opening Announcements

Speaker: John Curran, President and CEO, ARIN

Transcript

Highlights:

  • Introductions - Board of Trustees, Advisory Council, and Number Resource Organization Number Council (NRO NC), RIR colleagues, ARIN management team, and meeting fellows

  • Newcomer Orientation recap (raffle winner: Julie Percival)

  • Meeting attendee overview - total attendees: 198 (11 from Canada, 128 from the US, four from the Caribbean, 29 from outside the ARIN region, and 26 registered remote participants)

  • Sponsor acknowledgement

    • Network Connectivity Sponsor: AT&T
    • Webcast Sponsor: Google

  • Overview of meeting rules

  • Overview of agenda and meeting materials

  • Overview of evening social

  • Discussion moderator: Paul Andersen, Chair, ARIN Board of Trustees

  • Head table introductions

Attendees present in session room: approximately 133

Remote participants present: approximately six

Unique webcast views: approximately 160

Policy Implementation and Experience Report

Speaker: John Sweeting, Senior Director of Registration Services, ARIN

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Highlights:

  • Purpose of report

    • Review existing policies
    • Identify areas where new or modified policy may be needed
    • Provide feedback to community

  • Subject Policies

    • NRPM 5
    • NRPM 4.2.3.6

Discussion Transcript

Highlights:

  • Kevin Blumberg suggested it would be beneficial to define what a unique routing policy is. Also stated that it’s important to take into account how this will apply to reserved pools.
  • Question about whether there have been any proposals to tie the allocation of an ASN to the allocation of an IPv4/IPv6 prefix
  • Support for keeping unique routing policy definition ambiguous
  • Keep bar for demonstrating need for ASNs low

Advisory Council On-Docket Proposals Report

Speaker: Dan Alexander, Chair, ARIN Advisory Council

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Highlights:

Discussion Transcript

Highlights:

  • Thank you for chart placed in discussion guide

IETF Report

Speaker: Cathy Aronson, ARIN Advisory Council

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Highlights:

  • IEPG Update
  • IPv6 Maintenance (6MAN)
  • IPv6 Operations WG
  • Routing Area Open Meeting
  • Human Rights Protocol Considerations Research Group
  • IPv6 over Networks of Resource-constrained Nodes – 6Lo
  • Dynamic Host Configuration
  • Operational Security Considerations (OPSEC) WG
  • Software Defined Networking (SDN) Overview
  • Internet Area Working (INTAREA) WG
  • HOMENET
  • Babel WG
  • SIDR WG
  • Meeting Venue WG

Discussion Transcript

Highlights:

  • In the NANOG meeting, there was a good presentation about the work being done on extended communities

Introduction: John Curran, President and CEO, ARIN

Speaker: Chris Tacit, ARIN Advisory Council

Introduction: PDF

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Introduction Highlights:

  • History:

    • Origin: ARIN-prop-216, May 2015

    • AC Shepherds: Cathy Aronson, Chris Tacit

    • Presented at:

      • ARIN Public Policy Consultation at NANOG 64
      • ARIN 36
      • ARIN Public Policy Consultation at NANOG 66
      • ARIN 37

    • Revised in February 2016, April 2016, and May 2016

    • Advanced to Recommended Draft Policy in May 2016

  • Staff and legal review

    • Staff understanding
    • Staff comments
    • Legal assessment
    • Resource impact

AC Presentation Highlights:

  • Problem statement
  • Current policy Statement
  • Policy and Editorial Changes
  • Revised staff and legal
  • AC consideration
  • Additional modification to language
  • Subsequent feedback

Discussion Transcript

Highlights:

  • Clarification on whether this restriction is present in the other RIRs

  • Opposition to policy in that it does not provide adequate protection

  • Question on how many people this policy change applies to – is this a corner case or more prevalent? Fairly common for large, multinational organizations.

    • Occurs most commonly in China and South Korea

  • What stewardship does ARIN maintain over an allocation after it’s been transferred to another RIR?

  • Suggestion to consider policy in light of actual operational need rather than hypotheticals

  • One year after IPv4 depletion, starting to see some of the assumptions that were originally made compared against actual use

Straw poll of attendees and remote participants for/against the Recommended Draft Policy (submitted to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations):

  • Total attendees/remote participants: 130
  • In favor: 46
  • Against: 1

Introduction: John Curran, President and CEO, ARIN

Speaker: Robert Seastrom, ARIN Advisory Council

Introduction: PDF

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Introduction Highlights:

  • History:

    • Origin: ARIN-prop-221, June 2015

    • AC Shepherds: Robert Seastrom, Milton Mueller

    • Presented at:

      • ARIN 36
      • ARIN Public Policy Consultation at NANOG 66
      • ARIN 37

    • Revised in June 2016

    • Advanced to Recommended Draft Policy in September 2016

  • Staff and legal review

    • Staff understanding
    • Staff comments
    • Legal assessment
    • Counsel’s comment
    • Resource impact

AC Presentation Highlights:

  • Problem statement
  • Policy Statement
  • Staff and legal

Discussion Transcript

Highlights:

  • Concerns over the fraudulent pieces and how the enforcement and auditing of those allocations will be monitored by ARIN

  • Concern over no proof required besides officer attestation (removing needs from the equation)

  • Appreciate efforts to simplify process

  • Clarification of misunderstandings leading to opposition – fraud will be obvious and it will be clear if there is no operational network

  • Enforcement of any misrepresentation would be entirely up the community

  • Concern about increase of fraud on other ISP buyers in the market – hijacking already occurring

  • Policies like this that allow for less restrictive requirements instead of more restrictive requirements are going to keep people more involved in IPv4 instead of moving to IPv6

Straw poll of attendees and remote participants for/against the Recommended Draft Policy (submitted to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations):

  • Total attendees/remote participants: 137
  • In favor: 12
  • Against: 35

Introduction: John Curran, President and CEO, ARIN

Speaker: Amy Potter, ARIN Advisory Council

Introduction: PDF

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Introduction Highlights:

  • History:

    • Origin: ARIN-prop-226, March 2016

    • AC Shepherds: Andrew Dul, Amy Potter

    • Presented at:

      • ARIN 37

    • Advanced to Recommended Draft Policy in June 2016

  • Staff and legal review

    • Staff understanding
    • Staff comments
    • Legal assessment
    • Resource impact

AC Presentation Highlights:

  • Problem statement
  • Summary of changes
  • Policy Statement
  • Staff and legal summary
  • Community feedback

Discussion Transcript

Highlights:

  • Issue of fairness – no additional language needed

  • Suggestion to allow a transfer only if the special purpose of the block for which it was originally allocated will be preserved

  • Preserve integrity of reserved pool

  • Better for this kind of space to just be returned to ARIN and then reissued to the organization with the need within the policy

Straw poll of attendees and remote participants for/against the Recommended Draft Policy (submitted to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations):

  • Total attendees/remote participants: 136
  • In favor: 46
  • Against: 1

Introduction: John Curran, President and CEO, ARIN

Speaker: Tina Morris, Vice Chair, ARIN Advisory Council

Introduction: PDF

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Introduction Highlights:

  • History:

    • Origin: ARIN-prop-227, May 2016
    • AC Shepherds: Tina Morris, Scott Leibrand
    • Has not been presented at a PPM or PPC
    • Advanced to Recommended Draft Policy in September 2016

  • Staff and legal review

    • Staff understanding
    • Staff comments
    • Legal assessment
    • Resource impact

AC Presentation Highlights:

  • Problem statement
  • Policy Statement
  • Staff and legal summary
  • Clarification of intent

Discussion Transcript

Highlights:

  • Support for policy as written – useful simplification, reduces discrepancies between NRPM 4 and 8

  • Suggestion to leave section 4 as its own standalone and not keep changing it

  • No one should be under the misconception that it’s going to meet their needs in the long term

  • There’s already enough confusion between the waiting list and transfers without making all the time horizons different for no practical benefit as well

  • This policy would mean that all applications to ARIN can be useful, which is not currently the case

Straw poll of attendees and remote participants for/against the Recommended Draft Policy (submitted to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations):

  • Total attendees/remote participants: 140
  • In favor: 40
  • Against: 2

NRO Number Council Report

Speaker: Louie Lee, ARIN Representative on the NRO NC

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Highlights:

  • Address Supporting Organization Address Council (ASO AC) overview

  • ASO AC members - 15 members, three representatives from each RIR

    • Newly elected/appointed members

  • Recent ASO AC activities

  • Global policy management overview

  • Global policy development overview

  • ICANN Board selection

  • ICANN participation

  • ICANN Board selection procedures updates

  • Appointments

Discussion Transcript

Highlights:

  • Given the status of the Service Level Agreement (SLA) and that ICANN could be replaced, is there any move to make that more generic to the person holding the IANA contract rather than specific to ICANN?
  • Discussion over whether the ASO is always going to be a function of ICANN
  • Question about what governance functions they would have related to numbers remaining if we moved the SLA off of ICANN and moved the IANA function out of ICANN

ARIN Board, Advisory Council, and NRO NC Election Procedures | Candidate Speeches

Speaker: Wendy Leedy, Member Engagement Coordinator, ARIN

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Highlights:

  • Voting details
  • Key 2016 ARIN Election dates
  • How to cast your ballot and vote using ARIN Online and BigPulse
  • Important reminders

Discussion Transcript

Highlights:

  • Confirmation that a candidate can vote for himself/herself
  • John Curran thanked resigning AC members as well as Vint Cerf for his years of service on the ARIN Board

Candidate Speeches

Introduction: John Curran, President and CEO, ARIN

Speaker: John Springer, ARIN Advisory Council

Introduction: PDF

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Introduction Highlights:

  • History:

    • Origin: ARIN-prop-229, June 2016
    • AC Shepherds: John Springer, David Farmer
    • Has not been presented at a PPM or PPC
    • Advanced to Recommended Draft Policy in August 2016

  • Staff and legal review

    • Staff understanding
    • Staff comments
    • Legal assessment
    • Resource impact

AC Presentation Highlights:

  • Clarification of problem statement
  • Clarification of policy text regarding NRPM 4.2.2
  • Clarification of policy text regarding NRPM 4.3.2
  • Clarification of policy text regarding NRPM 4.3.3
  • Comments

Discussion Transcript

Highlights:

  • Question about how 2016-4 relates to 2016-5 – is it a conflict or a complement? 2016-5 would make this not as necessary, but not in conflict.
  • 2016-4 seems to simplify the workload that is required for new entrants
  • Policy would be a good incremental change in the right direction for the community
  • Encouraging ISPs in the marketplace and simplifying their process is only a positive

Straw poll of attendees and remote participants for/against the Recommended Draft Policy (submitted to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations):

  • Total attendees/remote participants: 124
  • In favor: 38
  • Against: 0

Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2016-5: Post-IPv4-Free-Pool-Depletion Transfer Policy

Introduction: John Curran, President and CEO, ARIN

Speaker: Leif Sawyer, ARIN Advisory Council

Introduction: PDF

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Introduction Highlights:

  • History:

    • Origin: ARIN-prop-230, June 2016
    • AC Shepherds: Leif Sawyer, David Huberman
    • Has not been presented at a PPM or PPC
    • Advanced to Recommended Draft Policy in September 2016

  • Staff and legal review

    • Staff understanding
    • Staff comments
    • Legal assessment
    • Resource impact

AC Presentation Highlights:

  • Problem statement/goals
  • Benefits
  • Implementation
  • New section

Discussion Transcript

Highlights:

  • Question about the meaning of “ARIN will proceed with processing transfer requests even if the number resources of the combined organization exceed what can be justified under the current ARIN transfer policy”
  • Critical to break the dependency between Section 8 and Section 4 – this would give the community a very clean set of transfer rules, now and in the future
  • Useful to simplify transfer requests and remove complexity
  • Concern that with staff comments, hard to support as written
  • Policy is an abandonment of the current structure of NRPM. Leads to more dependencies, not less.
  • Question about whether there is a definition of an officer that ARIN uses in receiving these attestations, and whether there is a maximum size transfer
  • Immediate need for this policy, which is small Internet providers need to be able to be preapproved at the 50% mark to be able to have the ramp-up time to get the space and the funds that they need for it
  • What criteria is Registration Services going to use to see that an organization is at 50 percent?
  • This policy should be at least as liberal as the current policy for anyone doing a transfer
  • Question about comparing 2015-7 to 2016-5: is it correct that the crucial difference between those two utilization requirements is the existence of a plan as opposed to simply the attestation?

Straw poll of attendees and remote participants for/against the Recommended Draft Policy (submitted to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations):

  • Total attendees/remote participants: 123
  • In favor: 33
  • Against: 6

Open Microphone

Moderator: John Curran, President and CEO, ARIN

Transcript

Highlights:

  • Community concern regarding allegations that a number of AC members are working as consultants for certain IPv4 brokers and attorneys. Should this be allowed, and/or should it be disclosed beforehand in their biography on the ARIN website?

  • When it comes to the tests for transfer, does it matter what the size of the block is in terms of how stringent the test should be? And when it comes to the evidentiary requirements required to support whatever the test is, does it matter what size the block is? How much scrutiny should be given to requests for smaller blocks, like /24s and /22s?

  • In regards to the lack of IPv6 policy discussion at this meeting and others, is there a way to make IPv6 a more attractive option for those who have not yet adopted it?

    • Lack of policy surrounding IPv6 may be a sign that the policy is as clear and simple as possible

  • Speak up if you have a policy idea – AC is more than willing to help. They shouldn’t be the only policy authors.

  • Can we consider opening up availability of WhoWas for determining the pedigree of an address block – whether it is eligible for transfer?

Public Policy Meeting, Day 1 - Closing Announcements and Adjournment

Speaker: John Curran, President and CEO, ARIN

Transcript

Highlights:

  • Reminder to vote in ARIN Elections

  • Sponsor acknowledgement

    • Network Connectivity Sponsor: AT&T
    • Webcast Sponsor: Google

  • Overview of evening social event

  • Reminder to fill out meeting survey

  • Reminders about tomorrow’s agenda

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