ARIN XXV Public Policy Meeting Day 2 Notes - 20 April 2010 [Archived]

Meeting Called to Order

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

John Curran opened the second day of the ARIN Public Policy Meeting by presenting the updated agenda and thanking network connectivity sponsor TELUS. He conducted the drawing for the winner of the Monday daily survey, which was won by Jim Kirby.

John reviewed the rules of discussion to be followed throughout the meeting.

Matthew Wilder gave a brief presentation about TELUS, the network connectivity sponsor of ARIN XXV.

At the beginning of the meeting, approximately 136 people were in attendance.

[ARIN offered the opportunity for remote participation throughout the meeting. Comments from remote participants are read aloud at the meeting and are integrated into the meeting report. There were approximately 40 individuals viewing the meeting webcast throughout the proceedings, and 48 registered remote participants.]

IPv6 IAB/IETF Activities Report

Speaker: Marla Azinger

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Marla Azinger provided a presentation about activities within the IETF related to IPv6. Marla noted that this presentation is not an official IETF report, as there is no official IETF Liaison to ARIN or any RIR.

Highlights included:

• Updates from IETF Anaheim, California
• Working Group reports on: Routing and Addressing, IPv6 Maintenance, v6 Operations, SHIM6, BEHAVE, Softwire, DNS Operations, DNS Extensions, OPSEC, Secure Inter-Domain Routing, Global Routing Operations
• New WG Activity: new group, LISP; proposed group, IPv6 Address Independence
• IETF coming to Maastricht, Netherlands, 25-30 July 2010.

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

IPv6 Rapid Deployment (6rd)

Speaker: Marla Azinger

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Marla Azinger provided a presentation about 6RD, or IPv6 Rapid Deployment.

Highlights included:

• IPv6 transition timeline
• Potential policy proposal
• Policy statement for 6RD distribution

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• Concern over the policy’s focus on /32s and /28s, which may not be helpful
• Praise for 6RD and its practicality

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

REST & Relax - The Future of Whois and Templates at ARIN

Speaker: Andy Newton, ARIN Chief Engineer

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Andy provided a presentation about Whois RESTful Web Service and updating templates to include API keys.

Highlights included:

• Whois–RWS is almost ready for production. Engaged in load testing currently.
• Implementing new queries based on feedback
• Adding POC Validation code to the software
• Whois-RWS will offer Port 43 proxy with better help and error messages, and CIDR queries.
• Will also start using API keys in templates
• Draft RESTful API details at https://www.arin.net/resources/restful-interfaces.html

At the conclusion of the presentation, John Curran sought input from anyone using x.509 certificates as ARIN may not continue to support them.

Draft Policy 2010-7: Simplified IPv6 policy

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Scott Leibrand, ARIN Advisory Council

Introduction: PDF

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal.

Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: David Farmer and Scott Leibrand
• Introduced on PPML on 29 December 2009 (PP 106) and designated as a draft policy 23 February 2010. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting.
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Scott Leibrand, as one of the shepherds, continued with the presentation of the proposal. Scott presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Highlights included:

• History and acknowledgements
• Rationale for size-class-based allocation system
• FAQ Regarding 2010-7

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• Discussion regarding renumbering pains that may occur as an indirect result of 2010-7
• Concern that specifying block sizes is not necessary in the case of this policy
• Use of Classful vs. Classless allocation schemes

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, John Curran asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, John stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Draft Policy 2010-8: Rework of IPv6 assignment criteria

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: David Farmer, ARIN Advisory Council

Introduction: PDF

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal.

Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: David Farmer and Scott Leibrand
• Introduced on PPML on 14 January 2010 (PP 107) and designated as a draft policy 23 February 2010. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting.
• This policy is unique to ARIN. The other RIRs have differing policies that determine requirements to qualify for a /48
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

David Farmer, as one of the shepherds, continued with the presentation of the proposal. David presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• Need to consider definition of the term “sites”; locations might better reflect topology, which should be a consideration
• Concern that when you define “sites” or locations that the policy ends up delving into routing, and ARIN doesn’t do routing policy
• This policy would address an inequity between end-users and ISPs.
• The policy is still not liberalized enough and requires further revision.

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, John Curran asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, John stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Draft Policy 2010-4: Rework of IPv6 allocation criteria

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: David Farmer, ARIN Advisory Council

Introduction: PDF

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal.

Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Cathy Aronson and Bill Darte
• Introduced on PPML on 30 October 2009 (PP 101) and designated as a draft policy 23 February 2010. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting.
• This policy is unique to ARIN. The other RIRs have differing policies that determine requirements to qualify for a /32.
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

David Farmer, as a member of the AC, continued with the presentation of the proposal. David presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• Suggestion that the policy doesn’t need to distinguish between private and public networks
• Reduction to 50 customers is a step towards improvement, some feel this is still too high a barrier and that there should be no barrier to getting an IPv6 allocation
• Policy text should specifically include enterprise customers.

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, John Curran asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, John stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Draft Policy 2010-1: Waiting List for Unmet IPv4 Requests

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Scott Leibrand, ARIN Advisory Council

Introduction: PDF

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal.

Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Dan Alexander and Scott Leibrand
• Introduced on PPML on 12 Jun 2009 (PP 97) and designated as a draft policy 21 January 2010. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting.
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Scott Leibrand, as one of the shepherds, continued with the presentation of the proposal. Scott presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• Point that with no waiting list situation right now, something is better than nothing
• The transfer listing service list will be going to the list for consultation with the community. Being listed on that list will be optional. The waiting list on the other hand will likely be kept private.

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, John Curran asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, John stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

NRO NC Report

Speaker: Jason Schiller, NRO NC Representative

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Jason Schiller presented an overview of the ICANN Address Supporting Organization Address Council (ASO AC) / Number Resource Organization Number Council (NRO NC), and provided a report on its activities.

Highlights included:

• Explanation of ASO AC (NRO NC) duties
• New additions to the NRO NC
• New seat 10 appointment
• Next meeting in Brussels
• Activity update
• Pending global policies
• Upcoming ICANN meetings

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• How the NRO NC selects candidates and holds elections for ICANN Board seats nine and ten
• How the NRO NC can support global policy development efforts and particularly resource return policy

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

NRO Activities Report

Speaker: John Curran

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

John Curran offered a brief update on activities within the NRO, highlighting participation in the Internet governance forums.
Highlights included:

• What is the NRO?

• ICANN/ASO information

  • Expenses distribution, contributions to ICANN

• Shared engineering and communications efforts

• Upcoming activities

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• Explanation of some of the acronyms used in the presentation and the different entities those acronyms represent

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

RIR Update - LACNIC

Speaker: Raúl Echeberría, LACNIC Executive Director

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Raúl Echeberría provided a presentation about recent activities and developments within LACNIC and its region.
Highlights included:

• New staff, 21 full time employees, 1200 members
• New policies under discussion
• Engineering Projects
  • RPKI
  • DNS Platform Upgrade/DNSSEC deployment
  • New Registry System
  • IPv6 Tour
  • AMPARO Project
  • FRIDA Program: supporting research projects related to the internet
  • Public affairs update
  • +RAICES Project
    • 2009 Netherlands Antilles
  • LACNIC XIII in Curacao

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

DNSSEC for the Root and ARPA zones

Speaker: Dave Knight, ICANN

Presentation on Root: PDF

Presentation on ARPA: PDF
Transcript

Dave Knight provided tandem presentations about DNSSEC for the root zone and DNSSEC for the arpa zones.

Highlights included:

DNSSEC for the Root Zone:

• Designed in cooperation by ICANN & VeriSign with support from the U.S. DoC NTIA
• ICANN holds the signing keys and VeriSign manages the zone signing key.
• In the process of incremental deployment, available for testing since Dec. 2009
• Ongoing dialogue with operator communities to assess real-world impact of changes
• All documentation is available at www.root-dnssec.org/
• Open invitation to community to become Trusted Community Representatives and to participate in cryptographic key ceremonies www.root-dnssec.org/tcr

DNSSEC under ARPA:

• Signed arpa zone served since March
• ICANN will submit test report to NTIA and propose that DNSSEC in ARPA be considered to be in full production.
• Want to move IN-ADDR.ARPA off root servers to servers operated by ICANN and RIRs
• IP6.ARPA and other children; test deployment expected during Q2 2010

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• How many of those roots are logging the results and is this data available for third parties analysis?
• Have you seen response in v6 has failed due to excessive size and UDP response in IPv6 has failed due to that combination of excessive size and the inability to fragment?
• When will in-addr.arpa be signed? Specifically in regards to key roll concerns.

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

AC On-Docket Proposals Report

Speaker: John Sweeting, Chair, ARIN Advisory Council

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

John Sweeting provided a presentation about any on-docket proposals that were not up for discussion at ARIN XXV.

Highlights included:

• PP109 – Standardize IP Reassignment Registration Requirements

  • Accepted on docket 18 February 2010
  • Revised 4 March 2010
  • Presented by author at the Open Policy Hour

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Update on the Canadian IPv6 Task Group

Speaker: Yves Poppe, Tata Communications

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Yves Poppe provided a presentation about the development and work of the Canadian IPv6 Task Group.

Highlights included:

• ISACC plenary decided needed a task group.
• Included 40 participants from industry and government
• Report written for ISACC meeting 5 November 2009
• Task group completed its mandate and was dissolved.
• Reports and recommendations are available at: http://isacc.ca/isacc/english/meetings/archived_plenary/?plenary_42

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Pending ACSP Report

Speaker: Mark Kosters

Presentation: PDF

Transcript

Mark Kosters provided a presentation about status of items pending in the ACSP process.

Highlights included:

• Suggestion 2008.15 – WHOWAS service. Implementation to be completed as part of ARIN Online
• Suggestion 2008.23 - Simple version of ARIN-IPv6-REASSIGN-4.2. To be implemented as part of the RESTful Provisioning Service
• Suggestion 2009.2 - Promoting the Use of IPv6. A logo has been added to the website, and we are investigating adding a way to view the address.
• Suggestion 2009.15 - Speed Up Timeline for Online POC Validation. Development underway for automated process, scheduled for deployment end of Q2 2010.
• Suggestion 2008.14 - Construct Validated IRR Data. Dependent on RPKI, this will be considered in 2011 following RPKI deployment in late 2010.

At the conclusion of the presentation, comments and questions were taken from the floor. Discussion highlights included:

• Currently, ARIN won’t give you “WHOWAS” information if you aren’t authoritative for the space. Will this be an issue when using the service in ARIN Online?
• Suggestion that promoting use of IPv6 should be extended to include an encouragement to those reaching ARIN over IPv4 to get IPv6.
• Concern that suggestions get selected for implementation without sufficient community feedback.

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

Open Microphone

Moderator: Paul Vixie, ARIN Chairman of the Board

Transcript

Highlights included:

• Request for community input on interest in continuing to pursue a mutually agreeable global policy for the redistribution of IPv4 addresses, and how the issue should be approached
• Revisited concerns regarding renumbering issues as they related to draft policy 2010-5

Closing Announcements and Adjournment

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

John Curran offered a reminder on the Members Meeting, which would take place the following day, and to which all attendees were invited. He thanked TELUS, the meeting network sponsor for their support. John reminded attendees about the social event beginning at 7:00 PM, sponsored by Toronto Internet Exchange, FONEX, Hurricane, Telnet, BTI, and encouraged everyone to attend. He concluded by thanking all of the meeting attendees for participating, reminded them to complete the daily survey, and hoped they would return for the Members Meeting tomorrow.

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