ARIN XXVI Public Policy Meeting Day 2 Notes - 7 October 2010 [Archived]

Opening and Announcements

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

John Curran opened the second day of the ARIN Public Policy Meeting by presenting the updated agenda and thanking network connectivity sponsor TELX.

Michael Lucking of TELX thanked everyone for coming to Atlanta, and gave a brief description of the network set up for the meeting.

John reviewed the rules of discussion to be followed throughout the meeting. He announced Jason Schiller as the winner of the NRO NC election, and thanked him for his continuing service to the community.

At the beginning of the meeting, approximately 136 people were in attendance.

[ARIN offered the opportunity for remote participation throughout the meeting. Comments from remote participants are read aloud at the meeting and are integrated into the meeting report. There were approximately 40 individuals viewing the meeting webcast throughout the proceedings, and 82 registered remote participants.]

IPv6 IAB/IETF Activities Report

Speaker: Marla Azinger

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Marla Azinger provided a presentation about activities within the IETF related to IPv6. Marla noted that this presentation is not an official IETF report, as there is no official IETF liaison to ARIN or any RIR.

Highlights included:

• Updates from IETF Maastricht, Netherlands
• Working Group reports on: Routing WG, IPv6 Maintenance, v6 Operations, SHIM6, BEHAVE, Secure Inter-Domain Routing, Softwire, DNS Operations, OPSEC, GROW, OPSWAG
• IETF coming to Beijing, China, 7-12 November 2010.

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

RIR Update - LACNIC

Speaker: Carlos Martinez, LACNIC Resident Researcher

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Carlos Martinez provided a presentation about recent activities and developments within LACNIC and its region.

Highlights included:

• Strategic planning – new website and systems improvements
• Engineering Projects
• Resource stats for 2010 to date
• Update on LACNIC XIII, Curacao, Netherlands Antilles
• Upcoming meetings: LACNIC XIV, São Paulo, Brazil, 19-22 October 2010 and LACNIC XV, Cancun, Mexico, May 2011

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

NRO NC Report

Speaker: Louis Lee, NRO NC Representative from the ARIN Region

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Louis Lee presented an overview of the ICANN Address Supporting Organization Address Council (ASO AC) / Number Resource Organization Number Council (NRO NC), and provided a report on its activities.

Highlights included:

• Brief overview of the NRO NC and its role and functions
• Explained the 3 current global policy proposals and the status of each – known as 2009-6, 2009-3, and 2010-10 in the ARIN regions
• 2009-3 is significantly different than the text from the one passed in other regions, there are two options:
  • Pass the 2009-3 text to the other RIRs for approval (little interest in this)
  • Create a revised policy that removes the contentious elements and send that through the policy process at each RIR

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

NRO Activities Report

Speaker: Axel Pawlik, NRO Chairman and RIPE NCC Managing Director

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Axel Pawlik offered a brief update on activities within the NRO, highlighting participation in the Internet governance forums.

Highlights included:

• Overview of NRO role and functions
• Update on ICANN meeting in Brussels – June 2010
• Next ICANN meeting Cartagena, Colombia – 5-10 December 2010
• NRO participation in IGF, hosted two workshops at meeting in Vilnius, Lithuania, 14-17 September 2010
• Participation in ITU IPv6 Group
• Current global coordination activities – RPKI implementation, Outreach on IPv4/IPv6

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Regional PDP Report

Speaker: Einar Bohlin, ARIN Policy Analyst

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Einar Bohlin discussed policy development in the 5 RIR regions, and offered comparisons to show the global interest in specific resource issues. Einar pointed out the value of the comparative policy table available on the NRO website which is updated about four times annually.

Highlights included:

• Proposals were broken out by resource category: IPv4, IPv6, ASN, and “Other.”
• Proposals were charted for comparison of status in the other regions.
• Encouraged meeting participants to talk to staff from other RIRs in attendance about things happening in their regions

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Template Changes and Whois-RWS

Speaker: Andy Newton, ARIN Chief Engineer

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Andy gave a presentation on upcoming template changes and additions to the Whois-RWS service. Highlights included:

• Changing data model for reverse DNS management
• Allows for inclusion of DNSSEC delegation signer information and more accurate lame testing
• Template changes include:
  • Retirement of version 3 templates
  • Nameserver changes will be ignored on version 4 templates
  • Version 5 templates will include an API key field
  • Will need API key for all template submissions
• New Whois-RWS and Port 43 queries
• Improving CIDR support using Whois-RWS

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Draft Policy 2010-10: Global Policy for IPv4 Allocations by the IANA Post Exhaustion

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Martin Hannigan
Introduction: PDF
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Bill Darte and Owen DeLong
• Introduced on PPML on 11 June 2010 (PP 115) and designated as a draft policy 20 July 2010. Current version 20 September 2010. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting.
• Similar Proposals have been introduced and are under consideration at AFRINIC, APNIC, LACNIC, and RIPE NCC
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Martin Hannigan continued with the presentation of the proposal. Martin presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale.

Highlights:

• Similar concept to 2009-6, but removes transfer and mandatory return language
• Establishes eligibility requirements for redistribution from IANA
• Maintains values of RFC 2050

Board Chair, Paul Vixie, moderated discussion.

Highlights included:

• How is global policy proposal created? Via each RIRs individual policy process/cycle
• Whether the policy should address the creation of future RIRs and IPv4 distributions they might receive
• Overly complex dealing with fragments. Should the policy define the lower limit for block sizes that can be returned and redistributed?
• Can this reach global consensus without mandatory return language?

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Paul Vixie asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against the draft policy (remote participants were invited to participate). After the tally was conducted, Paul stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

Draft Policy 2010-8: Rework of IPv6 assignment criteria

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: David Farmer, ARIN Advisory Council
Introduction: PDF
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherd: David Farmer and Scott Leibrand
• Introduced on PPML on 23 February 2010 (PP 107) and designated as a draft policy 23 February 2010.
• This draft policy is unique to the ARIN region.
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

David Farmer continued with the presentation of the proposal. David presented the text of the proposal and then the rationale .

Board Chair, Paul Vixie, moderated the discussion.

Highlights included:

• What constitutes a site may result in allocating too many /48s. However, the address pool will not be threatened immediately.
• PI and PA space differences as they relate to the suggested policy

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Paul Vixie took a straw poll to determine the sense of the room, and requested that remote participants submit their votes on several questions related to this draft policy. After the tally was conducted, Paul stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

RIR Update - RIPE NCC

Speaker: Axel Pawlik, RIPE NCC Managing Director

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Axel Pawlik presented a report on the activities of the Ripe NCC community and staff.

Highlights included:

• Recap of May General Meeting
• RIPE Labs 2.0: web site to improve community interaction
• Measurements pilot: goal is to have a measuring node in every AS and every major city
• IPv6 Ripeness: measuring the state of IPv6 deployment
• Staff exchange with APNIC: looking forward to extending exchange to other RIRs
• Outreach events
• RIPE 61: Rome, 15-19 November 2010

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

Draft Policy 2010-9: IPv6 for 6rd

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Marla Azinger, ARIN Advisory Council
Introduction: PDF
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Marla Azinger and Heather Schiller
• Introduced on PPML on 4 May 2010 (PP 113) and designated as a draft policy 20 July 2010. Current version 16 September 2010. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting.
• A similar proposal is under consideration at APNIC.
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

The draft policy was presented prior to the introduction of 2010-12, in order to allow the two proposals to be easily compared during the discussion period.

Draft Policy 2010-12: IPv6 Subsequent Allocation

Introduction: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Speaker: Marla Azinger, ARIN Advisory Council
Introduction: PDF
Presentation: PDF
Transcript

John Curran presented an introduction to the proposal. Highlights included:

• Advisory Council shepherds: Marla Azinger and Heather Schiller
• Introduced on PPML on 21 June 2010 (PP 118) and designated as a draft policy 20 July 2010. Current version 16 September 2010. This is the first discussion of this draft policy at an ARIN meeting.
• A similar proposal is under consideration at APNIC
• Presentation of Staff Impact Analysis, Legal Review, Staff Comments, and overview of PPML discussion activity. [see presentation and transcript links above for details]

Marla Azinger continued with the presentation of Draft Proposals 2010-9 and 2010-12. Marla presented the text of each proposal and its rationale. She invited Mark Townsley to come to the podium and give and give an overview of IPv6 transition technologies as they pertain to these policies.

Board Chair, Paul Vixie, moderated the discussion.

Highlights included:

• How do we discuss two policies simultaneously?
• Which policy is preferred? – 2010-9 could be simplified, but is preferred on the basis that it is technology specific. 2010-12 is too generic and vague.
• Is a technology specific policy too narrow? Concerned that we will have to revisit this as new technologies come about
• Shouldn’t create a policy ahead of operational experience
• Creating so many rules about IPv6 is making it harder to deploy IPv6
• These policies penalize innovators
• Do we need for a separate block for transition technologies, or can native IPv6 and 6rd come out of the same resource pool?

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

At the end of discussion, Paul Vixie asked for a show of hands to determine those in favor and those against draft policy 2010-9 and then he asked for those in favor and against draft policy 2010-12 (remote participants were invited to participate). After both tallies were conducted, Paul stated that this information would be provided to the Advisory Council for use in its deliberations.

IANA Activities Report

Speaker: Barbara Roseman, IANA Operations Manager

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Barbara Roseman presented a report on the status of the Internet Assigned Resources Association.

Highlights included:

• New WHOIS server providing responses for unicast IP addresses, multicast registrations, AS Numbers and DS records.
• AS Numbers Global Policy
• IPv4 Status
• Multicast updates
• AS Numbers Global Policy
• DNSSEC Key Ceremony to be held 1-2 November in Culpeper VA

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

RIR Update - APNIC

Speaker: Geoff Huston, APNIC Chief Scientist

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Geoff Huston presented a report on the activities of the APNIC community and staff.

Highlights included:

• Routing research
• RPKI
• APNIC is serving as secretariat for the IPv6 task force
• Working closely with APEC TEL WG on two IPv6 workshops this year
• APNIC 31 is in Hong Kong

There were no comments or questions from the floor at the conclusion of the presentation.

PDP Committee Report

Speaker: Lee Howard, ARIN Board of Trustees

Presentation: PDF
Transcript

Lee Howard presented a report on the status of the Policy Development Process Committee Report

Highlights included:

• Description of the PDP Committee Charter
• Goal of un-complicating ARIN’s PDP and Global PDP as practiced in the ARIN Region
• Problems with the PDP that have been identified
• Presenting draft PDP and Operational Guidelines to Board and AC this week
  • With their edits, will be posted to PPML for comments

For discussion details, please see the transcript.

AC On-Docket Proposals Report

Speaker: John Sweeting, ARIN Advisory Council Chair

Transcript

John Sweeting noted that there are currently no on-docket proposals, and acknowledged AC member Marla Azinger for her service.

Open Microphone

Moderator: Paul Vixie, ARIN Chairman of the Board

Transcript

Paul Vixie moderated an open microphone session. Highlights included:

• Could ARIN possibly estimate when its repository of IPv4 addresses will be exhausted? Hard to estimate, but ARIN’s pool will dwindle swiftly after the final IANA allocation
• There should be a coordinated communication plan for IANA depletion
• Emergency PDP procedures
• Suggestion that ARIN staff assist with policy wordsmithing
• Suggestion that policy working groups form during ARIN meetings
• Request for an update during the Members Meeting on ARIN press and outreach activities surrounding IPv4 exhaustion. Mention of sending a new round of letters to CEOs.
• Suggestion to broaden eligible voter pool in Advisory Council election to include any ARIN resource holder not just resource holder members.

Closing Announcements and Adjournment

Speaker: John Curran, ARIN President and CEO

Transcript

John Curran offered a reminder on the Members Meeting, which would take place the following day, and to which all attendees were invited. He concluded by also reminding eligible voters to participate in the open ARIN Advisory Council and Board of Trustees elections and thanking all of the meeting attendees for participating.

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